“What Difference Does it Make if God Exists?”

Some Thoughts on “On Guard” by William Lane Craig (chapters 1 and 2)

This week covered the first two chapters, “What Is Apologetics” and “What Difference Does It Make if God Exists.” Chapter one discussed the definition, purpose, and attributes of apologetics. Apologetics is a defense of the faith. It is both offensive and defensive. As a Christian, I must remember that giving a defense is not the same as being defensive or argumentative. Those types of attitudes are what pushes people away, and in my experience that is true. Being argumentative shuts people off to the gospel and ruins whatever traction might be present otherwise in the conversation. The truth must be spoken in love. 

The way Jesus, Peter, and Paul appealed to evidences in order to support the validity of the Christian faith should act as a model for modern Christians. Those three presented appeals to miracles, prophecy, nature, typology, and connected to where their audience was culturally. This appeal to things which happened in the past (historical evidence) and things which can be pondered anytime (philosophical evidence) are important for different people. A whole group of evidences should be presented to demonstrate the gospel. 

These whole groups of evidences demonstrate the coherence of Christianity as a complete worldview. This is important for breaking down negative plausibility structures held by those being evangelized to. In my experience, many atheists hide behind an intellectual mask when really there is a hatred for God. Presenting the gospel as a whole and complete worldview helps to bring those hidden reasons for not believing in God to light. 

Christianity can be taken seriously as an intellectual framework, and should be presented that way, both inside and outside the church. As someone who plans to teach, I need to present the gospel not as something supported by emotions, but something supported by well-thought-out reasoning. Inside the church this would help with a whole manner of problems, including apostasy and fear in evangelism. 

While apologetics can help with doubt, it can only go so far. I really enjoy the study of apologetics, however apologetics are less helpful than I would want. Apologetics helps to present Christianity as a plausible alternative, even the best alternative, to any worldview. However, it can not change the heart of the listener. Even if the best case is presented for Christianity, someone can still choose to hate God and turn their backs on Him. The Christian witness helps to combat that, not so much apologetics. 

Many Christians are afraid to give the gospel to other people because they fear they will not have an answer to some rebuttal. I have felt this many times. There is a definite fear that someone would be able to ask a question so good that it would stump me, and I would completely lose the opportunity to give the gospel. However, as I continue to reach out to people, I have found this is not the case. To be frank, many people do not have good reasons to believe what they believe, especially on the side of atheists. 

Likely the most common worldview in the west, which is very commonly held by atheists in particular, is relativism. Relativism and postmodernism have much in common, though relativism more particularly comments on religion and ethics. Relativism is the belief that there is no overarching truth in life. There are many good apologetics books which comment on relativism, and the most commonly-cited fallacy of relativism is that while relativism claims religion and ethics are relative to culture, relativism itself would only be true in its own culture. This sort of contradictory thinking is something which I believe many people have not thought through, especially in personal conversation. When there is a belief many skeptics have not properly thought through, there is a great opportunity for Christians to point this out and present the gospel.

For that reason, Christians should be equipped with the truth of apologetics. I think that giving apologetics will be crucial in missions, especially if new converts are to be kept in the church, rather than taken by cults without knowing better. Christians should be able to present what they believe and why they believe it. 

The last purpose of apologetics, which I use as the main purpose, is to win unbelievers to Christ. Unfortunately, as noted earlier, most unbelievers will remain unimpressed. This is because apologetics only helps to present Christianity as a complete and coherent worldview, which the person begins to see as a reliable and realistic alternative to their own worldview. 

A Christian should not give up, and I will not. The purpose of apologetics is not to make instant converts. The purpose is to patiently plant and water seeds, praying that the Spirit will grow the seeds. I must not lose hope even when people do not instantly convert, because the hard questions I ask will, by the Lord’s grace, be stuck in the hearer’s mind as a seed. 

Chapter two jumps into the meat of the book and discusses alternative worldviews to Christianity. The debate between theism and atheism has been a hot one, especially in the west. The results of this cultural debate have serious eternal ramifications, however many seem to be uninterested in Christianity. Understanding the disinterest in Christianity helps to direct my sword of apologetics in conversation. If someone is disinterested in Christianity and content in atheism, I can point out the absurdity of their own worldview. 

These absurdities are plenty, especially in atheism. For example, if there is no God, there is no overarching metanarrative or truth. This is the level most atheists believe at. However, those concepts carried out to their natural conclusions show that in atheism there is no meaning, value, or purpose to one’s life. These things are incredibly important to people. No one can live consistently without them. Pointing this out, I believe, is a great first step toward helping someone become interested in Christianity. The lives of atheists would be unbearable without meaning, value, and purpose. Their inconsistency in living life with objective beliefs (such as Hitler was wrong, even though he was in a culture that believed he was right) is in sharp contrast with their claim to life subjectively and relativistically. In other words, while they claim that all cultures are valid, they object to female genital mutilation on the grounds of an objective moral wrong. As a Christian, I can point out this inconsistency. 

Unfortunately for the atheist, two things are required for meaning in life (which means they are also required to consistently believe there is meaning in life): God and eternal life. Without one of these things, one’s life has no meaning. There is no reason they should be moral. This is another point which helps bridge the gap between theism and atheism: Why should an atheist be moral? There is no consistent reason for an atheist to be moral. There is no objective grounds for obeying morality, or which morality to follow, apart from God. This is not to say that atheists are not moral, but that their worldview does not allow them to be consistent in that way. 

Nietzsche’s “Madman” story is one I always enjoy reading (also featured in The Universe Next Door and Strange New World). The story follows the same mournful yells of the Teacher in Ecclesiastes. Everything is vanity apart from God and eternal life. Pointing this out to a skeptic is probably one of the most helpful ways to shake them out of their inconsistent worldview. No one truly wants to say everyone’s life is meaningless and without value, as least I do not believe anyone would. However, atheism can lead to no other conclusion. Who would live like that? In switching from atheism to theism, one can have the potential to lose nothing and gain the world. The Pascal’s Wager is another classic evangelistic statement. 

Overall, these first two chapters begin the dive into Christian apologetics by defining first what apologetics is, and second why atheism is unlivable. While there are not many reports of these concepts being practically applied in my own life, the study of apologetics is broadly helpful for everyday conversations and questions.

17 responses to ““What Difference Does it Make if God Exists?””

  1. clubschadenfreude Avatar

    That christians all invent different gods that want different things shows that this religion is full of complete nonsense, and there is no reason to think any of it is true. Add this to the fact that not one self-professed christian can do what jesus promises his true followers, and it shows that christians are frauds per their own bible.

    “Unfortunately for the atheist, two things are required for meaning in life (which means they are also required to consistently believe there is meaning in life): God and eternal life. Without one of these things, one’s life has no meaning. There is no reason they should be moral. This is another point which helps bridge the gap between theism and atheism: Why should an atheist be moral? There is no consistent reason for an atheist to be moral. There is no objective grounds for obeying morality, or which morality to follow, apart from God. This is not to say that atheists are not moral, but that their worldview does not allow them to be consistent in that way. “

    Curious how christians can’t show that this nonsense is true. Happily, humans give ourselves and others meaning, no imaginary friends needed. No need for “eternal life” either since christians can’t agree about that nonsense either.

    Christian morality is demonstrably subjective, with each inventing a list of morals they claim their god wants, and yet the poor dears can’t show that their god merely exists, much less agrees with them. They also have the problem that they must insist that their god doesn’t have to follow these supposedly “objective” morals since they have to invent excuses why it is okay for this god to commit genocide, to kill people for the actions of others, etc. This makes their morality subjective to who someone is. it also shows their morality is little more than might equals right.

    Morals are subjective and invented by humans. Some are common but nothing shows they are objective. No one need objective grounds to be moral. Subjective grounds do just fine. Us atheists are as consistent as any christian, despite their attempts to lie about that.

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    1. Jacob Oller Avatar

      Every individual has their own understanding of who God is and how He wants us to live. Of course this is subjective. This does not deny the reality of an objective reference.

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      1. clubschadenfreude Avatar

        If everyone has their own conception of this god, that means you have no objective god nor objective morality. And yes, it does mean you have no objective reference at all, if everyone gets a different idea from it.

        Curious how not one of you can show your version to be the right one, being unable show this objective reference at all. Every christian claims that only their version is the right one and you cultists have murdered each other over such nonsense.

        You seem to have no idea what you are talking about, like most seminary students.

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      2. Jacob Oller Avatar

        I think you missed my point. Every person is a subjective center. Everyone views things in different lights. That does not mean there is not an objective reality (God and morality). The blue or gold dress is a great example of this. Just because people don’t agree on what color it is does not mean it doesn’t have an objective color. Does that make sense?

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      3. clubschadenfreude Avatar

        more made up garbage from you, Jacob. You have no objective nonsense in your religion, and you are right, every Christian makes up what they want, which makes christianity entirely subjective.

        It most certainly means that there is no objective god or morality, if you can’t show that there is one. How do you propose to show any of these versions of your cult to be the right one?

        The nonsense about the blue and gold dress has nothing to do with your claims that your god exists and only your version is true. I can look at the dress in reality. Not so much for your imaginary friend.

        Which version of christianity is the right one, dear? Seems you can’t or won’t say.

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      4. Jacob Oller Avatar

        I do have a genuine question. If we die, we cease to exist, and eventually the universe dies of the big freeze or heat death, why does it matter to you that I believe this, or want others to believe this? If nothing matters anyways, why does this matter? Ya know what I mean?

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      5. clubschadenfreude Avatar

        You dont’ have to say genuine, Jacob, you can just ask your question. All questions are genuine.

        Your religion’s ignorance, hate and need to cause fear all cause real harm here and now. That’s why I care.

        Again, you return to the usual lies you cling to about atheism equaling nihilism. Everything matters, Jacob. Especially since it can and will end. Humans make things matter.

        Continuing to lie about atheism and nihilism will simply show how dishonest you are. Some atheists can be nihilists. The vast majority aren’t. And the common christian lies that an atheists simply *must* be nihilists if they are “honest” is just one more lie invented to try to scare people into your cult. Nothing about having concluded that there are no god or gods makes things magically meaningless.

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    2. Jacob Oller Avatar

      Ya know, you have nothing to lose, why not ask some genuine questions? You aren’t even trying to ask questions that you care to have an answer to. I welcome any questions you have and would love to talk about them. I’ll be praying for you.

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      1. clubschadenfreude Avatar

        I’ve asked questions and you’ve avoided them, dear. If I ask a question, I want an answer. Your lies to avoid answering those questions are rather pitiful.

        here’s one that you were too much of a coward or too incompetent to answer:

        “’ve had literaly hundreds of christians praying for me to agree with them over the last 30+ years and you’ve all failed miserably. BTW, why would this god or you need my name? It’s omniscient, right?”

        Here’s another, which I’ve asked again below: “Your bible gives us a way to know which of the christians has the right version: you’ll be able to do what jesus promised.

        Not one of you can. What’s the problem?”

        and another:

        “You find you have to lie about us since we came to the conclusion you did about santa claus. You accuse us falsely of being “arrogant”, “angry”, “self-righteous”, etc.

        Hmm, shall I accuse you of being that toward Islam, Hinduism, etc?”

        and another:

        “Which god, Jacob? Christians can’t even agree on one since you all claim it wants different things.”

        Curious how you claimed that you were already praying for me to agree with you and those prayers have failed miserably. Why is that, Jacob, since your jesus promises that true followers will get any prayer answered, quickly and with what is asked for?

        Is it because your god loves me as I am? Your god doesn’t think you are a true follower? Or is it that your god doesn’t exist?

        Here’s a question: Why does your set of ignorant gospels differ drastically when it comes to what happened during the cruxifiction/resurrection?

        Why can’t christians agree on some of the most basic of their doctrines? Why do christians differ on:

        free will vs predestination
        how to interpret the bible
        what heaven and hell are
        who is saved
        how someone is saved
        is salvation forever or can lose it
        what morals does this god want
        what does baptism do and how to do it?

        How do you propose to show your version is the only right one? How about an altar challenge where you call on your god to set some wood on fire and I’ll use a zippo?

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      2. Jacob Oller Avatar

        That sounds great! Why don’t we tackle those one at a time. What would you like to talk about first?

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      4. Jacob Oller Avatar

        Okay, I’ll go in order. What do you mean when you say, “I’ve had literaly hundreds of christians praying for me to agree with them over the last 30+ years and you’ve all failed miserably”

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      5. clubschadenfreude Avatar

        What I wrote couldn’t be more clear, to someone who knows the bible. I’ve literally had hundreds of christians praying for me to agree with them over the last 30+ years and you’ve all failed miserably.

        Again, Jacob, it seems you are ignorant of what your bible actually says. Jesus claims that all of his true followers will be able to do get any prayer answered, quickly and with what was asked for. He also says that his true followers will be able to to miracles like him, including healing illness and injury.

        Curious how every single self-professed Christian fails at these things, even you, Jacob. Per your own bible, you and all other Christians are evidently frauds.

        and here are those verses you’ll try to wiggle out of:

        “22 Jesus answered them, ‘Have[b] faith in God. 23 Truly I tell you, if you say to this mountain, “Be taken up and thrown into the sea”, and if you do not doubt in your heart, but believe that what you say will come to pass, it will be done for you. 24 So I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received[c] it, and it will be yours.” – Mark 11

        “Go into all the world and proclaim the good news[d] to the whole creation. 16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved; but the one who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: by using my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes in their hands,[e] and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.’” Mark 16

        “7 ‘Ask, and it will be given to you; search, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened for you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and everyone who searches finds, and for everyone who knocks, the door will be opened. 9 Is there anyone among you who, if your child asks for bread, will give a stone? 10 Or if the child asks for a fish, will give a snake? 11 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask him!” Matthew 7

        “1 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; but if you do not, then believe me because of the works themselves. 12 Very truly, I tell you, the one who believes in me will also do the works that I do and, in fact, will do greater works than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If in my name you ask me[e] for anything, I will do it.” John 14

        “ 7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask for whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. “ John 15

        “13 Are any among you suffering? They should pray. Are any cheerful? They should sing songs of praise. 14 Are any among you sick? They should call for the elders of the church and have them pray over them, anointing them with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 The prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise them up; and anyone who has committed sins will be forgiven. 16 Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. The prayer of the righteous is powerful and effective. 17 Elijah was a human being like us, and he prayed fervently that it might not rain, and for three years and six months it did not rain on the earth. 18 Then he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain and the earth yielded its harvest.” James 5

        I wonder, what excuses will you offer? Context? If so, then show the context rather than simply making vague claims. Cessationism? if so, then you have to explain why christians don’t agree on that concept.

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      6. Jacob Oller Avatar

        Do you mean that because you have not been saved, God does not answer prayers? If you reject God, I don’t think that is God’s fault. All people have to choose between accepting and rejecting God, and if you continue to choose to reject Him then that is your own choice.
        In terms of those verses, those things are validated in Acts. When prayers are not outrightly answered, the trial serves a greater purpose, that being the sanctification of the individual. The New Testament, including Jesus, is clear that Christians will suffer, be murdered, and go through trials. I don’t know why some of those verses are seemingly so universal, but in the context of what even Jesus says, let alone the New Testament, it is clear they are hyperbolic. If anything a Christian wanted would come true, then why would any Christian suffer? Rather, Jesus says that only those things that are prayed which are a reflection of what He wants to do will happen.

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      7. clubschadenfreude Avatar

        Dear, I was saved, per everything the bible says, and then I realized that the promises of the bible were false. I prayed for help to not lose my faith and your imaginary friend failed rather dramatically.

        So yep, it is yuor god’s fault, assuming it exists. That is something you cannot show to be true.

        Per your own bible, people don’t have the choice between accepting god or not. Both jesus and paul state this, Matthew 13 and Romans 9 for starters.

        So you are lying to me about the bible. How quaint.

        IT’s great how christians keep changing their stories to excuse their imaginary friend’s failure. You try to have your cake and eat it too, with claiming that when yuor god fails, then it must be for another reason, which doesn’t match what your bible promises. Your failure doesn’t work with someone who has actually read the bible herself.

        Yep, the bible contradicts itself, nothing new there at all. We hve the OT saying this god will protect its followers from every bad thing, a great example is Psalm 91, and it fails all through the NT, just as if this was all being made up.

        I know you have no idea why some of those verses are universal. You are ignorant about how your bible came to be, and again, it was never meant to be read to gether and it was written by ignorant human beings who were making things up.

        Yep, here we go with the claims of the Christian that the parts of his bible that he doesn’t like are “hyperbolic”, or “metaphors” or “exaggerations”, etc. It’s always fun when christians cna’t agree on which parts are what, showing that, yet again, you all simply make this nonsense up.

        There is nothing to support this nonsense: ” Jesus says that only those things that are prayed which are a reflection of what He wants to do will happen.”

        This makes prayer utterly worthless, unless you want to imagine your god is just wanting to hear people beg for what he’ll do anyway or he gets off on watching people ask for things that will never happen. Either makes your god rather pathetic.

        As usual, the mess of books in your bible fails miserably since jesus makes promises that any prayer will be answered for a true believer. Those books where he does this don’t mention that prayer has to be within this god’s already invented plan. And that also shows how the common christian claim of free will is simply more nonsense that their bible doesn’t support.

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      8. Jacob Oller Avatar

        Additionally, at least look at the verses critically. They were written by people who underwent intense persecution. Do you think they thought Jesus many ANYthing they prayed about would happen? They certainly had a more nuanced view. It was real people who wrote this who did not view the verses how you are making them to sound.

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      9. clubschadenfreude Avatar

        I have looked at the verses critically and that doesn’t change what they say. Nice try to make false claims again, Jacob.

        This also makes no sense: “Do you think they thought Jesus many ANYthing they prayed about would happen?”

        No evidence for a more “nuanced” view, so you make more stuff up. People were ignorant, they died believing lies.

        It’s great when you make false claims like you know what the people who wrote the verses thought about them. No one does. We can only make educated guesses. That’s also why christians can’t agree on what nonsense they want to claim as true and why there are dozens of versions of christianity.

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